Comments on: MANTRA 29 http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/ thoughts, musings and other rambling… Thu, 08 Dec 2011 06:40:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: M Kitchen http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/comment-page-1/#comment-4496 M Kitchen Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:20:17 +0000 http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/#comment-4496 "find enjoyment in your toil"... "having fun in your toil"... in that context it's all the same to me. Though your right; in the <em>wrong</em> context (ie. the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mft3_A6qtRA" rel="nofollow">Cindy Lauper</a> context) "fun" IS a fluffy shallow word. But that's just semantics. Regardless, I find value in the quote as a mantra. “find enjoyment in your toil”… “having fun in your toil”… in that context it’s all the same to me.

Though your right; in the wrong context (ie. the Cindy Lauper context) “fun” IS a fluffy shallow word.

But that’s just semantics.

Regardless, I find value in the quote as a mantra.

]]> By: Blair Kitchen http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/comment-page-1/#comment-4495 Blair Kitchen Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:05:17 +0000 http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/#comment-4495 The Solomon one from Proverbs is exactly it..... it's "toil", not "fun". That's what Hemingway was talking about, like Tony Robbins, about getting through the resistance and grueling hard work. You can find enjoyment out of it, but if anyone tells you it's "fun", than they are full of crap, or they are producing crap. I would much rather have enjoyment than fun anyways. The word "fun" is one of those fluffy, shallow words like "nice"........ that's all I'm trying to say. The Solomon one from Proverbs is exactly it….. it’s “toil”, not “fun”. That’s what Hemingway was talking about, like Tony Robbins, about getting through the resistance and grueling hard work. You can find enjoyment out of it, but if anyone tells you it’s “fun”, than they are full of crap, or they are producing crap. I would much rather have enjoyment than fun anyways. The word “fun” is one of those fluffy, shallow words like “nice”…….. that’s all I’m trying to say.

]]> By: M Kitchen http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/comment-page-1/#comment-4488 M Kitchen Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:02:00 +0000 http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/#comment-4488 RE: MANTRA 28 I just keep going back to what King Solomon said back in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2007/10/29/mantra-17/" rel="nofollow">MANTRA 17</a> - “There is nothing better for a person than that he should eat and drink and find enjoyment in his toil. This also, I saw, is from the hand of God,” To me that means that even if the work is grueling you should still enjoy it. To paraphrase another Tony Robbins analogy; it's like weight lifting. If you're not feeling any resistance, then you're not really doing anything. It's the resistance that builds your physical muscle, just like it's the grueling hard work that builds your spiritual muscle. It's what we're meant to do here, so enjoy it.  I think Dave Sim ruined all Hemingway for me. RE: MANTRA 28

I just keep going back to what King Solomon said back in MANTRA 17 – “There is nothing better for a person than that he should eat and drink and find enjoyment in his toil. This also, I saw, is from the hand of God,”

To me that means that even if the work is grueling you should still enjoy it. To paraphrase another Tony Robbins analogy; it’s like weight lifting. If you’re not feeling any resistance, then you’re not really doing anything. It’s the resistance that builds your physical muscle, just like it’s the grueling hard work that builds your spiritual muscle.

It’s what we’re meant to do here, so enjoy it.  I think Dave Sim ruined all Hemingway for me.

]]> By: Blair Kitchen http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/comment-page-1/#comment-4487 Blair Kitchen Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:38:07 +0000 http://www.ultraist.net/journal/2009/02/11/mantra-29/#comment-4487 This is a good quote, but I was going to comment on the quote you had up earlier today, before you replaced it: The one about if you are not having fun, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. I disagree with that, mainly because of the word "fun". Nothing great comes from having fun (except leisure). Great comes from sweat. There's a good quote by Ernest Hemingway that says something along the lines of the rough draft is the fun part, but it's not until you sit down with that draft and rewrite it and mold it that the real writing takes place, and this part is greulling and it is work. This part is not "fun" at all, but without it, you have nothing. That's not even close to how he said it, but you get the point. (I should go look up the quote.... I think it was in some storyboard notes by Brad Bird) This is a good quote, but I was going to comment on the quote you had up earlier today, before you replaced it: The one about if you are not having fun, then you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.

I disagree with that, mainly because of the word “fun”. Nothing great comes from having fun (except leisure). Great comes from sweat. There’s a good quote by Ernest Hemingway that says something along the lines of the rough draft is the fun part, but it’s not until you sit down with that draft and rewrite it and mold it that the real writing takes place, and this part is greulling and it is work. This part is not “fun” at all, but without it, you have nothing.

That’s not even close to how he said it, but you get the point. (I should go look up the quote…. I think it was in some storyboard notes by Brad Bird)

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