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December 30, 2006

Saddam Hussein Executed

Filed under: Ramblings — M Kitchen @ 1:51 pm

You can read the full news story on any number of news sites.
Here is a link to the BBC complete with video.
And here is a link to Reuters also with video.

My thoughts on all of this can most easily be summarized with the following image:

EDIT – The execution is available for viewing here on GOOGLE VIDEO.

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  1. The following is a conversation with some Cerebus Yahoos!  Copy and pasted to the best of my ability.

    Re: “We Got Him”

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kitchen wrote:

    What bothers me about all of this isn’t the death penalty, or the fact
    that Saddam Hussein probably deserved a death sentance, but rather, in
    my opinion, the whole thing comes across more as a Mafia hit.

    In the 1980’s, top officials in the Reagan administration saw Saddam
    as a useful surrogate. After Rumsfeld’s visit to Baghdad in 1983,
    U.S. intelligence began supplying the Iraqi dictator with satellite
    photos showing Iranian deployments, tanks and other military hardware,
    and bacteria cultures to make biological weapons, including anthrax.
    The United States backed Saddam’s armies with military intelligence,
    economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.
    http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.18A.neswk.us.iraq.htm

    My thoughts on all of this can most easily be summarized with the
    following image I created for my blog:
    http://www.ultraist.net/journal/

    I’m really curious what Dave’s view is on this. Especially given the
    “We Got Him” photo and all.

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Rick Sharer wrote:

    Yeah, well except for the trial part.

    TTM

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kitchen wrote:

    Given the current government of Iraq was essentially created by the
    United States and its coalition allies, I saw the Saddam trial as them
    just rubbing his nose in it.

    If it was a UN trial, that would be a different story…

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W wrote:

    “A Mafia hit” just seems like a strange comparison,
    since the Mafia don’t wait three years between getting
    hold of a guy and offing him.

    > If it was a UN trial, that would be a different
    > story…
    >

    Then Saddam would be a free man today.

    > In the 1980’s, top officials in the Reagan
    > administration saw Saddam
    > as a useful surrogate. After Rumsfeld’s visit to
    > Baghdad in 1983,
    > U.S. intelligence began supplying the Iraqi dictator
    > with satellite
    > photos showing Iranian deployments, tanks and other
    > military hardware,
    > and bacteria cultures to make biological weapons,
    > including anthrax.
    > The United States backed Saddam’s armies with
    > military intelligence,
    > economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.
    >
    http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.18A.neswk.us.iraq.htm
    >
    >

    Which added up to a miniscule amount of his weapons.
    Russia, China, France and Egypt gave him far more
    weapons than we did, and for more years. France
    didn’t stop giving weapons until the Gulf War. Again,
    this is a strange way for the Mafia to hit someone.

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Rick Sharer wrote:
    — Mike Kitchen wrote:

    > Given the current government of Iraq was essentially
    > created by the
    > United States and its coalition allies, I saw the
    > Saddam trial as them
    > just rubbing his nose in it.

    ???

    Rubbing his nose in what? All the people he
    butchered?

    > If it was a UN trial, that would be a different
    > story…

    You have no idea…

    TTM

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kitchen wrote:

    This brings us to the crux of the problem I have with death penalties.  While I certainly think there are evil people in the world deserving of death (Saddam Hussein being a good candidate), I have little faith in human institutions making morally correct “life or death” judgments.

    In regards to my earlier “mob hit” comments, (which is the big problem I have with this particular execution).  The way I see it is this:  It is a fact Saddam was being used as an asset by the Reaganites against Iran (Bush I was Vice President at the time).  Then in recent years he became a liability, so they wacked him.  We’ve seen that story over and over again on The Sopranos.  Only this story is on a global scale.

    “In your face!”  “Don’t mess with Texas!”.  Et al.

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Rick Sharer wrote:
    — Mike Kitchen wrote:

    > This brings us to the crux of the problem I have
    > with death penalties.
    > While I certainly think there are evil people in the
    > world deserving of
    > death (Saddam Hussein being a good candidate), I
    > have little faith in
    > human institutions making morally correct “life or
    > death” judgments.

    So you think humans are basically evil? 🙂

    > In regards to my earlier “mob hit” comments, (which
    > is the big problem I
    > have with this particular execution). The way I see
    > it is this: It is
    > a fact Saddam was being used as an asset by the
    > Reaganites against Iran
    > (Bush I was Vice President at the time). Then in
    > recent years he became
    > a liability, so they wacked him. We’ve seen that
    > story over and
    > over again on The Sopranos. Only this story is on a
    > global scale.

    Yes, but *we* just spanked him. His own people
    administered justice. And in this case, they got it
    right.

    So yeah, I can see you having problems with “wacking”
    people in general, just don’t you fret about this one.

    > “In your face!” “Don’t mess with Texas!”. Et al.

    “He’s dead, Jim.”

    TTM

    — In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kitchen wrote:

    Delayed Response:

    > So you think humans are basically evil? 🙂

    No, but often wrong.

    > Yes, but *we* just spanked him. His own people
    > administered justice. And in this case, they got it
    > right.

    Saying “His own people administered justice” isn’t accurate enough to
    give the full scope of the situation, since the new government was
    “assisted” into place by the US. That’s why, right off the bat, the
    whole trial thing had me shaking my head.

    Saying “they got it right” is probably correct.

    > “He’s dead, Jim.”

    Yes. Yes he is.

    Comment by M Kitchen — January 10, 2007 @ 5:20 pm

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